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Published: 2012/11/16
by Tony Beers

A Conversation with John K

Now that Furthur guitarist John Kadlecik is touring with Phil Lesh and Friends, this seemed an opportune time to present this piece written by his fellow Maryland resident Tony Beers.

Photo by Vernon Webb

The Grateful Dead, the San Francisco rock band of epic psychedelic coolness breathes a little easier these days.

The late Jerry Garcia, the band’s guitar player who died in 1995, may have sighed some relief himself In 2009 when mild-mannered guitarist John Kadlecik quietly stepped in, saddled up, and went on the road with the rock icon’s former bandmates, Bob Weir and Phil Lesh.

At the time Kadlecik was minding his own business playing, singing, and recreating the music of The Grateful Dead for thousands of his own adoring fans with the very successful and well-known tribute band he co-founded, Dark Star Orchestra. On an incessant tour schedule throughout the country, surpassed only by the band he emulated, one would think that he would have had his hands full; but just as a minor league baseball player lives for that call from the majors, he answered and headed off to California and a meeting with his idols at their Club Front studios in San Rafael.

Although speaking with John via phone I could hear his excitement over the phone as he talked about creating new material while listening for his own voice, interpreting The Dead’s vast repertoire and his work with Furthur. I began to see more than just a rock star grateful to be able to have fun playing music and getting paid for it (as many artists will admit to). This guy has the humility of a true journeyman. A student of improvisation, Kadlecik works at purveying his goods through live performance and he studies his craft as it unfolds within him.

Kadlecik’s early childhood commitment to music and classical training on the violin, which he picked up at the age of eight, shows in his ease and proficiency on the guitar today. We talked about his musical influences: Camper Van Beethoven, Edie Brickell and the New Bohemians, Jimmy Page, David Gilmore. But it was jazz and the modern psychedelic rock movement that ultimately shaped his career the most.

While he has played with a number of bands (Hairball Willie, Uncle John’s Band, Wing Nut, The Mix w/Melvin Seals), it was Dark Star that helped to establish him as one of today’s foremost improvisational/jam band guitarists.

DSO has been exhaustive in its musical attention to re-creating past Grateful Dead performances using their original set lists. These lists, spanning 30 years, incredibly were never repeated in the same order, nor were the songs played in the quite the same way from one night to the next. What is significant and most often misunderstood about The Dead is that the improvisational nature of the music itself made each song a movement within a larger body of music that was never exactly duplicated. The enormity of the challenge facing Kadlecik and DSO, with over 2000 live Dead shows recorded, was to find that unique sound as a collective musical mind, but also to capture the feel and expression of the band and their epic improvisational repertoire.

“I wanted to look at each individual set list as its own artistic opus, to learn the bigger brush stroke changes that happened in the songs over time,” he said. “DSO was never at any time a note-for-note band. What we did was individually learn our parallel roles, emulating an individual musician in the band and learning how to take a loose structure and fill it out in the same way they might have, not to reproduce a particular show. We strove to play a show as if we could go back in time and they could replay it. The jams would be shorter or longer than theirs were on a given day — we tried to constrain our palettes but not constrain our brushstrokes.”

By all accounts they have accomplished this amazing feat. Dark Star’s unprecedented rise through a sea of talented jambands has given fans worldwide a clinic on a unique brand of music birthed by The Dead and their extraordinary body of work.

I asked John what the biggest difference has been between DSO and playing with “the boys” in the original band.

“Well, in many ways, Dark Star was like being perpetually in university . . . in an academic environment for a bunch of musicians and throwing a good party – whereas going into Further was like getting a real job . . . to make art. I’m not choosing my own curriculum anymore,” he said.

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There are 9 comments associated with this post

carolinaphil November 19, 2012, 09:52:08

Steady at the helm is what life is about.

Jay November 22, 2012, 22:03:38

John K is the best thing to happen to The Grateful Dead in years. The first time I saw him play with Further I thought to myself….Why the fuck didn’t they hire this guy in 1996? Besides being a great improvisational guy he also knows when to play Jerry’s licks. I don’t want to hear someone else’s interpretation of of the walkup in Terrapin…I want to hear the right one.

dk70 November 23, 2012, 10:39:06

Mattson’s better.

Ultimatelywhogivesafuck November 23, 2012, 20:50:56

Mattison is a fake JK

Worker T. November 25, 2012, 16:39:15

Improvisation is when you don’t know what someone is going to play. We all know exactly what this guy does every time he plays. Words mean more when they aren’t being used to market crap.

ckuddes November 27, 2012, 10:41:18

He sings like Mr. Garrison

JC November 27, 2012, 19:18:53

The JKB is the bomb! Been seeing John play since 1998, and he’s better than ever! Loved him in DSO, love him in Furthur, but the JKB is it for me! He run’s the show, which is the way it should be. They all have smiles as big as Phil’s, and the set lists are killer! brings back memories of Garcia/Saunders at the Bottom Line theatre in NYC back in the early ’70’s. Easy, small crowd, although that will change once the word gets out, so please….sssssshhhhhhhhh!

tony beers January 23, 2013, 12:12:39

JC: By jove I think he’s got it!! Lol…turns out love IS real! NFA, JC, NFA...see ya at next show. Check out Djesben for a most interesting, eclectic, jazz/bossa nova jammin thing from Katy Gaughn (JK’s wife and JKBand mate) Djesben’s next gig Feb 9th I believe, check it out….love and love, tony

hood June 12, 2013, 05:20:29

I started seeing John K in the early 90’s when Hairball Willie started playing alongside my other favorite Dead cover band “why not!”. I remember Hairball shows where I was one of maybe a dozen in the audience. He used to rip up the violin on a few tunes and was always a cool humble dude. I am proud to have known him and to see him succeed.

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