Tomorrow, February 4th, I'm leaving work early. I'm gonna grab
a stack of CD's, throw on some shades, and bravely venture to Hollywood,
CA. As I get a bit older (not really that much wiser, though) and
since I've moved to San Francisco, the desire to drive for hours
to catch a show comes with less frequency than it used to. Hell,
why ever leave your backyard when you are a short drive from the
Great American, Fillmore, and Warfield? Well, tomorrow The String
Cheese Incident will be checking into the House of Blues in Hollywood
for a two night stay. 'Nuff said, I'm making the trip and plan on
slipping through those notorious L.A. traffic jams like a greased
pig down a water slide. The reason for my sudden explosion of motivation
is that one of a couple of bands which I feel is guaranteed to put
on mind boggling performances each and every night is within reach;
and that is something we all know is priceless.
At the time of my conversation with Michael Kang, he had just
finished working on SCI Fidelity's latest venture: an album which
also features the likes of Darol Anger, Mike Marshall, and Paul
McCandless. Somehow, Michael Kang found some time to record in between
an amazing New Year's run and a Winter Carnival Tour 2000 which
is now underway. Even more amazing, Michael was kind enough to make
time for the following interview. Chatting with one of my favorite
musicians indeed proved to be a treat. Beyond being a stellar musician,
Kang is a thoughtful, insightful, and well spoken person who seems
quite dedicated to his craft.
DR- Well, I'd like to start off by congratulating you on the
great New Year's run. How do you reflect on that event?
MK- It was the culmination of a lot of work on a lot of people's
behalf. It was just an amazing experience for us to get to do that.
And, for that many people to show up...well, we were really thankful
that everybody was there. It was really a great year in a lot of
ways. There hasn't been much rest afterwards; I haven't had much
of a chance to reflect on it necessarily. It was a great experience
but, I'm also really excited to just get back on tour too.
DR- I did a review on it for JamBands, and described it as
a sensory playground.
MK- Yeah, it was bordering on sensory overload (laughs). It was
a great experience, and the best thing for us was that we got to
spend it with a lot of people we kind of known over the years that
have become good friends of ours. It wasn't really done through
a standard contract with a regular promoter or anything. It was
basically put on by all of our friends, especially a lot of people
from Oregon Country Fair and John Dwork and Peak Productions and
all those people. So, that felt really special in itself. So, we're
glad for that. And then it was great to have all of our families
there. We just kind of tried it out in a new space, and it was a
really positive experience for us.
DR- This New Year's obviously came with a lot of hype and expectations.
MK- Yeah, even though nothing really happened in the world overall.
It did come and put a lot of pressure on our performance and for
everybody to just blow it out and do something completely crazy.
DR- And that's my question. Is this a onetime blowout for you,
is this the start of a great tradition, or don't you know yet?
MK- New Year's is always gonna be one of those experiences, but
this just happened to be the two thousandth year. We try to bring
a lot of rituals and a lot of special shows into the experience
on different dates. Solstice has always been more important to us
in a lot of ways. We did the Solstice run at the Fillmore, and this
year it's gonna be at the Warfield. Those are important shows too.
DR- In terms of the band's New Years traditions, it seems like
this was your first New Year's that was undoubtedly a String Cheese
Incident event.
MK- Yeah, that's something we've really decided after all the
years of doing things with other people. And especially after coming
off tours with other bands...we love being able to play with everybody
else, but we always got done with the experience feeling like we're
the kind of band that only gets warmed up after playing an hour
and a half.
DR- The midnight parade was an undescribable event. And, it
really seemed focused on inspiring everyone towards a more positive
way of thinking and lifestyle. Where did you find the inspiration
for the parade?
MK- Well, it was not actually all our ideas. The parade, that's
where a lot of our friends, and people like Peak Productions put
it together with us. There were some hundred other people working
on it; and we didn't really give them that much direction. We kind
of just said it's up to people's own creativity to come up with
it. So, they just all got together. It was all basically based around
looking at the different archetypes of what our society is made
up of, or what our ideal world would be made up of and bringing
those and recognizing them. There was a children's float, a goddess
float...a Gaia Float, they all represent things that are important
to us in the next millennium. Actually, not even the next millennium,
things that are important to us right or and in the past as well.
DR- You rung in the New Year with Bob Marley's One Love. Why
did you choose this song, and how hard was it selecting a song for
the occasion?
MK- We wanted something that everybody could sing along to (laughs)
and it just seemed really fitting along with the feeling of the
entire event.
DR- I noticed a few cameras around the venue, is a video possibly
in development?
MK- Yeah, that's something the Peak Production guys organized
and I think there will be a video release. There should also be
another String Cheese historical movie; a good friend of ours has
just been shooting video of us in the last three years. It's really
interesting to see, there is so much stuff that has happened in
the last three years. All of our fans kinda get to see what has
been going on.
DR- You guys always seem to have plenty of special guests,
which obviously must keep things fresh. How would you describe the
impact of these colloborations?
MK- It's kind of making connections with the outer music. We'd
really like to include as many people as we can in our experience.
Part of the reason this album came along for me is because I got
a chance to play with Darol (Anger), Mike (Marshall) and Paul (McCandless)
and all those people we considered our heroes for a long time. And,
just to incorporate them into what we do just kind of opens up different
musical worlds. I'd say overall it's just one of those things that
as we continue to hone our craft, its something that we hope to
do- incorporating people that have influenced us in the past. We
all know that we're not the greatest musicians in the world or anything
like that, we're simply trying to just do what we do in the line
that we do it. Just to include the people, it's a great learning
experience, and its great to hear other people play the music that
we've written, it makes it more interesting.
DR- How about when the band was in its very early stages, were
there any particular established players who played with you before
you really had really established yourselves?
MK- It's hard to say because we've had a lot of sit ins. That's
part of the festival thing, it really does solidify that. I think
even our second or third year we had some people sit in with us.
And, Paul has been playing with us for a number of years. He's from
the band Oregon, and he also used to be a Flecktone with Bela. Grisman
(David Grisman) has kind of been around and seen us for a few years.
The first time he played with us was like three or four years ago.
So, its been happening kind of steadily; different people come along
at different times.
DR- I'd like to touch on the String Cheese Incident's connection
to the Grateful Dead. Being compared to the Dead seems inevitable
for you guys. But in the last year plus you did the Kaiser New Year's
thing, and you did the Summer Sessions with Phil & Friends. What
does it mean to you to actually have a tangible connection to the
Dead. How do you feel about that; what does that mean for you?
MK- Well, for different members of the band, at least for me and
Travis...I went to a few Dead shows in my time, it's great. I used
to watch those guys on stage and really get off on what they were
doing. The Dead for me really opened my mind to the possibilities
of music. And, being able to play improvised rock music in that
setting, or rock-bluegrass whatever it is, it's a privilege to be
connected in some realm. I think we all do the same thing; I think
ultimately our goal together would be healing and community through
music. Also just musical expression in an improvised sense brings
about so much in life for us. That's one thing I really got from
touring with Phil this summer, that he's just so happy to be alive
doing what he's doing. He's really an inspiration in that way, he's
just on fire right now.
Of course, now that we're connect in that sense there are going
to be comparisons. I think we have similar musical tastes and backgrounds
probably within the realm of what we do. But, it's something we
kind of figure is gonna happen because they are in a lot of ways
the models of how many homegrown jambands are modeling their organizations.
Not to give away your power to anyone else, that's the model we've
followed in our organization.
DR- It seems that so many Jambands are compared to or measured
against either the Dead or Phish. What are your thoughts on this?
MK- I think it's inevitable that it's going to happen. We hope
to be able to do our own thing. But to say we're not influenced
by them to a certain degree would be a complete lie. I love Phish;
I know Travis really digs them. In the last year I went to like
four or five Phish shows (laughs), and I love what they do. I loved
Trey's playing before I ever picked up the mandolin. They're definitely
an influence to a certain degree. But, I listen to so many different
kinds of music that influence me and get me off in different ways.
They are one of the greatest bands in rock and roll history. And
the comparisons, I don't really mind; if they compare us to Phish,
then it's an honor to be compared to those guys. But, we try to
do our own thing in a different way. Just like we can be compared
to the Dead, we can be compared to Phish because we have similar
sensibilities in what music is about. I think Phish represents the
most modern combination of what's happening in the world music scene
in a really big rock and roll sense. They combine so many different
kinds of grooves, and so many different kinds of elements in their
music that they really bring out. And that's kind of what we strive
to do to because we really love so many different kinds of music.
What we try to do is open it up as a democracy in the band to really
let everybody have individual expression about what they want to
do, what they want to play. And, that's probably the biggest comparison.
They have a big love for bluegrass, obviously we do, the Dead did
as well. It's the modern folk American music. Phish is much more
into rock and roll than we've ever been, because none of us really
have that much of background in that.
DR- I want to pick your brain a bit about this whole jamband
thing. In a conversation with Karl Denson, I asked him what he thought
about bands like Medeski, Martin & Wood, String Cheese Incident,
Government Mule, Widespread Panic, and Tiny Universe being grouped
in this same family of Jamband. What's your take on this?
MK- It's kind of a loose term, I've come to realize it's a very
loose term. Jam meaning that at any point you might want to open
it up. But people have been doing that, Miles Davis has been doing
that, since way back when. And, improvised music, we're by no means
masters of that. There are people that will blow us away in any
small club in New York. Now Karl, I just saw him this weekend actually,
his whole band, they're much more oriented around the funk thing.
All the bands have different characters, but they all share a similar
intent in that they are willing to let the freedom of the music
reign in their performances. Even though we get lumped together,
I think we're all very different. There are some things that bring
us together, you know Karl has played with us, and maybe we might
attract a similar type of fan base since we're not commercial, radio
type bands; none of us are really pursuing that type of career.
And I think there's a certain element of the population right now
that is into those types of band that are alternative in the sense
of really just putting out different kinds of music. A lot of it
is groove and dance oriented which I think is a powerful thing,
getting people involved to dance at shows it brings the crowd and
the band together into one unity.
DR- In the last few years, this Jamband scene has grown tremendously.
Do you have any theories on the reasons for this great success?
MK- Well, I think you have to look originally at what the Dead
did, which was really groundbreaking. I read Bill Graham's book,
and really got the sense that the Dead really started something
new in terms of what they were doing at the time: alternative, popular
music without commercialization or radio. Then Phish kind of carried
the torch after the Dead broke apart, and that opened up a whole
other realm as well. I wonder, I really actually wonder now new
it is, although there's really a lot of bands doing it right now.
Before we were a band, in 1992, Phish was really just getting started,
there was ARU (Aquarium Rescue Unit), there was Blues Traveler,
there were bands doing this kind of thing. I wondering how many
of those bands I didn't even know about were playing back then.
Leftover Salmon was a pretty small band at that point. So, I think
its been going on for awhile. I don't know how far back I can really
take it, but there's always a lot of bands expressing themselves
in a lot of different ways.
DR- I would like to talk for a bit about the scene or vibes
at an Incident. It seems like the String Cheese family has really
tried to develop a unique, fun, and positive environment. The music,
decorations, batik art, and hula hoops, they all create a festive
energy. What kind of experience are you trying to create?
MK- We like to create an experience where people can kind of just
have fun with the music. Over the years, people have just created
their own thing. We kind of spurred the hula hoop thing at one point
a couple of years ago at Telluride Bluegrass and tossed a bunch
of hula hoops out there. But, then people have just kind of followed
with their own freaky energy or whatever it is (laughs). And, people
have come up to us and said they wanted to get involved. The fire
dancing, there are these two women in San Francisco that started
doing that a while ago; and that spurred on a whole different thing.
After being at Oregon Country Fair, and seeing all the different
things that can be lumped into performance art, we just want to
give people the space to do whatever they want and express themselves
in whatever way that they want. Ultimately, obviously for us, we're
trying to create a good, festive atmosphere through our music. And,
that's what we're going to try to do. As for what people do with
that, its up to their own creativity. That's how we'd like to leave
it as this point. We've kind of gotten to the point where people
have a certain space where they can express themselves. That's hopefully
what we've been able to create: a space for people to be able to
do whatever it is that they want to do without any restrictions
creatively or emotionally or whatever.
DR- And, beyond the 3 or so hours a person is at a concert,
or at an Incident, do you feel your music has any deeper, long-lasting
results?
MK- I guess I think it can because I've seen it happen. Ultimately,
I would say that our goal would be to open up or at least touch
people in a creative way so that they can bring that creative manner
so that they their own life. That would be my ultimate goal, our
goal, to bring that kind of inspiration to people in whatever way
they can feel it. But that's not just something that should come
from me, or our band. We just want to let people carry the torch
into their own lives. I guess my goal is just to play music and
satisfy my musical interests and just let that go where it goes.
I would hope that people get something from the experience that
really opens them up in some way. At the same time, it could be
something where people go out and forget about what ever it is there
were thinking about and just think about dancing.
DR- Finally, the scene at an Incident is so diverse. Old bluegrass
fans, old Deadheads, young kids, and everyone in between, and they
are communing in a common experience. How would you describe the
String Cheese Incident family, and what challenges do you face as
it gets larger?
MK- It's changing, its always changing. The family is always going
to be growing. And, its been great to have all these new people
get into the band. Its hard to describe the family necessarily because
it is a pretty diverse group of people. We hope that whatever happens,
people bring the same intentions when they first got there, which
is enjoying the band and the possibility of what can happen on any
given night. Of course that changes over time.
I know there are a lot of people worried about our scene getting
too big or out of control; and that all goes back to how people
treat it in their own way, or they're own space; what energy they
bring to the show. In a number of ways though everyone's gotta take
on responsibility for themselves. Certainly drugs are an issue that
comes up at times. I know it's a touchy subject to say, but at many
jambands show there's often a lot of drug intake that goes on in
the crowd. It's not really up to us, but people will do that. There's
a part of me that wants to keep it clean to a certain extent because
there's a lot of different people that come to shows. We want to
respect everybody's right to enjoy whatever it is they enjoy. And
I think it's all about responsibility and taking care of your own
actions.