In the print edition of Rolling Stone (via Stereogum), Father John Misty recounts a humorous story about that time he went to see Taylor Swift in Australia while on acid. The experience which reportedly inspired his video with Lana Del Rey for her song “Freak.”

Josh Tillman said that he was invited to the Swift show after meeting some people from her team at a bar in Melbourne, AUS. “I got my tour manager to get me some acid: ‘This is written in the stars. I’m supposed to go take acid at this Taylor Swift concert’,” he explained. “I experienced the show like an eight-year old girl—as much as that’s possible for a 35-year old man. She fully impregnated my dilated soul with her ideology. I remember laughing uncontrollably. I remember going outside for a smoke and thinking, ‘I need to get back in there.’”

“But there was a disturbing aspect,” Tillman cautioned. “This insistence on telling girls, ‘I’m normal, don’t let anyone tell you what you should be.’ Meanwhile, there are 60-foot-high images of her on screens. If you wanted to curate an evening with the Grand Leader, this is what you would do. It’s a very, very false normal. And that’s dangerous.”

As for Ryan Adams’ cover of the pop star’s 1989 album, which Tillman released a parody cover in the vein of Lou Reed (before Reed came to him in a dream and told him to take it down), he said, “I was taking this dude to task for what I saw as a grotesque stunt and matching it with another grotesque stunt.” Tillman said that his cover of Adams’ cover “became the biggest publicity that I’ve ever received, and that grossed me out.”